Public opinion reveals a strong sense of frustration and concern regarding the escalating military tensions between Israel and Iran, with many criticizing Israel's aggressive actions and the perceived bias in U.S. support. There is a prevalent feeling that the conflict threatens global stability and the lives of innocent civilians, particularly in Iran. Comments underscore skepticism toward Western narratives surrounding the conflict and highlight a call for peace amidst imminent war fears.

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This is genuinely a really good question and there are some interesting answers to it.

1: Israel doesn't trust the process. See, Israel has long believed that Iran uses negotiations as a stalling tactic; time spent talking at the peace table means more time spent advancing nuclear capabilities. Every delay, every loophole, every ambiguity could potentially mean Iran is one step closer to a bomb. Even if a talk turns into a deal, Iran's compliance isn't guaranteed. It's not even necessarily that Israel doesn't have faith in negotiating, it's that they don't have faith the deal reached will be strong enough or enforced enough to prevent Iran from becoming a nuclear power.

2: Israel's credibility could be at stake. They've drawn very clear lines in the sand with Iran's nuclear capabilities, and if they reach certain thresholds, Israel won't hesitate to respond with military force to maintain international and domestic credibility. In their strategic culture, and in the Middle East especially, credibility is everything; if they say they'll act, and don't, Iran is simply emboldened to push the envelope even further.

3: This could just be a case of preemptive strike, which is on par for Israel strategically speaking. They have a long history of doing so, just look at Operation Opera in Iraq (1981) or Operation Orchard in Syria (2007). In both cases, Israel bombed nuclear reactors in enemy states without international approval for the sake of keeping nukes out of hostile hands, trading short term diplomatic backlash for long term national security.

4: Israel might not trust the United States' intelligence. We might be allies, but we can also interpret the reports differently. If Israeli intelligence believes Iran is closer to a bomb than the US does, they'll hit them regardless.

5: It could be their way of forcing our (as in the US, I forget not everyone reading this is from here, as a typical 'murican would) hand. They're essentially saying, "if you won't stop them, we will, and you'll have to deal with the consequences." If they strike, Washington either has to back Israel or risk alienating a key ally in the Middle East, which would damage our position and interests in the region.

6: This could all be a ploy for domestic political pressure. Don't forget, the Middle East has politics that are just as complex as those in the United States, particularly in Iran and Israel. Netanyahu could be making a long term play with military action to shift the national conversation, bolster support, and show decisive, united leadership against a universally hated enemy. There are plenty of good examples of this all over the world, with tough military tactics being used as a sort of propaganda to rally the people of that country. 

Sorry that this is so long 💀😭 but I hope this answers your question!!

duothedualwielder

Nobody respects Trump's propensity for "deals" in the international community

macdaddee

Good question. I’d understood this to have been the decisive factor - article published just hours before Israel’s strike on Iran:

“The global nuclear watchdog's board of governors has formally declared Iran in breach of its non-proliferation obligations for the first time in 20 years. […] It follows a report from the IAEA last week which criticised Iran's "general lack of co-operation" and said it had enough uranium enriched to 60% purity, near weapons grade, to potentially make nine nuclear bombs.”

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce3v6w2qr12o.amp

Elbow2020

I can't imagine any sane country waiting on the Trump administration to cement a meaningful deal.

KronusIV

There's no "deal" and there wasn't going to be a deal. Besides the fact that Trump has no understanding of geo politics and nothing he says means anything, it's worth remembering that this has been going on for the last 15 years and now finally Iran does have the capacity to make nukes and people think they're making a deal? 


No way. Nukes are the strongest negotiation card you can hold.


Also remember that Iran's last ballistic missile attack showed that Israel simply can't stop a large ballistic missile attack so from Israel's perspective they are vulnerable and need to remove Iran's ability to strike with impunity.


 Israel is playing a risky game if they think Trump will stand by them in a larger conflict though. For a man who rambles so much about deals, the one thing we know about Trump is he'll never hold up his end of the deal.

variety_dirtbag

The likeliest answer is as stupid as it sounds.

Trump told Netanyahu not to do anything for 60 days.  Trump played hardball for the “deal” he wanted.  Day 61 came around and Netanyahu did whatever the fuck he wanted.


Politics and happenstance aside.  What people have to realize is Netanyahu’s legacy is set.  The ball is rolling, when Hamas attacked on October 7th he said, fuck it.  I perceive threats, I’m done being threatened, and is attempting to clean house.

First it was Hamas.  Then it was the round ups in the West Bank.  Then it was brutalizing Hezbollah.  Now it’s taking the fight to Iran directly.

He’s an unleashed dog; and we can argue reasons or whatever bullshit.  But at this stage that is what he is doing.  Clearing the threats, knocking them down a peg.

jredful

The UN inspectors report came out publicly backing what Israel/US intelligence personnel already knew. With the expansion of their program they knew any negotiations where just lip service. They had been planning this for months.

Gtstricky

Hep_C_for_me

Trump. 

Realistically 

What negotiation?   What deal?

CleaveIwishnot

LoL you think the US runs the show??? Especially with Trump at the helm?

Birkeland1992

US talks gave Iran a false sense of security so Israel could strike 


https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/in-twist-u-s-diplomacy-served-as-cover-for-israeli-surprise-attack-c79b2206?st=riaAjY

Monte_Cristos_Count

Clearly Israel didn’t think a deal was going to happen and Iran had just blown past its nuclear proliferation limits for the first time in 20 years, according to the UN watchdog monitoring Iran’s nuclear program.

Cornwallis400

The negotiations were pretty much a sham. Israel has wanted to attack Iran for at least a couple of decades, but the US always made them back down. 

However, for a number of reasons, Iran’s influence and military capacity is weaker now than it has been for many years, and US has a president who actively approved of the Israeli plans.

Azdak66

It was all part of the deception. Make Iran think that there was no way an attack could happen while still in negotiations.  They were completely caught off guard. They assassinated top leadership who were sleeping in their bed. No one in Iran expected an attack.

Evening_Mushroom_331

1. Israel believes Trump is a chump.

Like every other country.

Jensen1994

Internal politics. Concerned about what nonsense trump might actually agree to given that he's a .... special negotiator

ParsleySlow

Quite simply, Israel does not trust Trump.  Netanyahu is many things-- I disagree with  his politics, he has been in power too long, he is a warmonger, and a criminal-- BUT, he is very intelligent and he genuinely cares about the security of Israel.

You need to understand recent history.  It took almost 10 years to get Iran to agree with the JCPOA. (The nuclear deal under Obama.)  This was an amazing feat of diplomacy.  Israel was against it-- and Bibi came to Congress to lobby against tit-- because he never believed Iran would follow through, only that they would use it as an excuse to delay etc.   In Iran, there were people who wanted the deal, and wanted to normalize relationships with  the rest of the world-- and they were able to convince the hard liners to give it shot.

Iran WAS complying. Israel reluctantly accepted it and it staved off war. 

Then Trump who had no idea about any of this, decides to kill the JCPOA with Iran, simply because "Obama did it,"  so that meant it was "bad."  He could not articulate why- and everyone around his was telling him not to kill it.  This proved to Iran that the US was not worth every negotiating with, because we wont keep our word.  

Then, Trump decided to make matters worse,  and assassinate Qasem Soleimani.  Again, against all his advisors AND Israel- This guy was a real piece of shit, but he was the "devil you know."  

This set wheels into motion that directly led to Iran funding and arranging the Oct 7th attacks by Hamas, which has led to this current situation because during the distraction, they were working towards building nukes again.

Trump has not plan. He does not have competent people with experience in Middle Eastern history and culture working behind the scenes. Half the state department has been fired by Musk.  You can't send one guy to Iran in a day and except they will just do what you want them to do-- as evidenced by the delicate balance of diplomacy needed to make the JCPOA work in the first place.

So, he we are.  All of this is because we elected Trump, a man who has no fucking idea what he is doing.  All the decades of soft power that allowed us to manipulate the world and keep peace behind the scenes is gone, and because Trump can't articulate any policy or has any people working for him that are total clowns, other world leaders, like Bibi are going to do whatever the fuck they feel like now, because there is no one behind the scenes anymore working for the USA's interests.

Had Harris won, this would not have happened.  Who ever she picked for State would have had teams of people working behind the scenes to make sure this kind of open warfare did not happen.

Raspberries-Are-Evil

Because they received intelligence that Iran was days away from enriching weapons grade uranium (for making nukes). And once that has been achieved they can move it all over in country, making locating and destroying it almost impossible. They know it can only be made in a few locations, so attacking them now is much, much easier.

Plus they must know the talks aren’t going anywhere. Despite what Trump says, him and his buddies are not master negotiators. And Isreal has seen how Trump treats Ukraine.

coachhunter2

they don’t respect trump because he’s a little bitch

ghost_of_apaol

Another option being that Netanyahu can only stay in power as long they're actively militarily engaged so he just keeps pushing the envelope as hard as he can.

He's a wanted war criminal for the Genocide he and his regime are committing and the fighting basically gives him the ability to stave off his inevitable visit to the ICC.

M0reMotivati0n

Considering it’s Iran, why would anybody trust anything regarding them? Least trustworthy country next to North Korea, China, and Russia.

Plus, the current Israeli government is kind of on a spree of being like, “fuck it, might as well”.

Dramatic-Blueberry98

It's an aggressive rogue state that is currently emboldened by the lack of repercussions to its aggression. Let's remember that it's also bombing lebanon Syria gaza Iraq.

Early-Carrot-8070

The US only thought it was negotiating. Sending a tweet doesn’t constitute a negotiation.

GuitarPlayingGuy71

Trump has shown consistently that deals mean nothing to him. Iran can't trust the U.S., and Israel knows it, so they just use hard power to cripple Iran's nuclear program. Trump would have been unsuccessful in reaching a deal anyway since he's the one who pulled out of a deal made during Obama's presidency.

JanetYellensYelling

Because Netanyahu wants to stay out of jail any way he can.

ProPwno

As an American who still remembers Trump throwing the previous nuclear deal Obama made that had the works largest economies including China behind it, I have no faith that Trump is working on a deal either in good faith, or even competently

MajorPlanet

They had 60 days to make a deal and didn’t do it. On day 61 the dogs were let loose, normally would agree with it but Iran should never have a nuclear weapon. No country in the world supports them in this.

jimmy5007

Trump told Iran they had 60 days to negotiate. Israel attacked on day 61. Iran was not making any concessions. I am not necessarily supporting the attack when I say this.

Scrum_Bag

In Case you haven't noticed yet, nobody gives a fuck about the current US government because they're not fit for the job and your president is mentally ill in a very dysfunctional way. Nobody wants to negotiate with these kind of people and the common consensus is that Trump will break contracts whenever he wants anyway so they are essentially worthless.

TheGreatButz

We already had a deal with Iran years ago, then Donald Trump destroyed the deal.   there's no reason to think Donald Trump will ever negotiate a better deal even if you tried.

WorldTallestEngineer

They don’t want a deal. They don’t want peace. War is profit and power. 

Also Netanyahu’s court case isn’t going well.

EPCOpress

1. Nobody outside of Trump's sycophantic echochamber actually thinks he is good at making deals. He's definitely not going to get anything done.



2. (This one is more important, in my opinion) global pressure is building against the genocide in Gaza. Israel may be forced to pull out of Gaza soon, and even if their not, there's not much left for them to do there anyway. So they need another enemy. 



Fascism is an unstable system that can not survive long in peace times. It needs an enemy to unite its people against. Netanyahu is worried that he's going to lose his current "enemy" due to global pressure forcing a withdrawal from Gaza, so he's making a new one.

larrry02

Because they know better than anyone that you cant trust the terrorist state of Iran.

SarcastikBastard

Because they are an independent nation and made a judgement call.

URignorance-astounds

Because if there is no forever war Netanyahu will go to prison and lose power.

I wish it weren't so dumb

GiantSquirrelPanic

Follow up question didn’t we already have a nuclear deal with Iran? What happened to that?

Apprehensive_Dog1526

alienalf1

johnf420bro

Because the current US administration tore up an old deal the last time they were in office.

So, now we’re here…

TheHarlemHellfighter

Well, if all of a sudden a deal is made and they stop attacking that might be something to note huh. Let's see.

InflationOk3410

-Israel doesn't care- is the correct answer. They want WAR iran since what, 30 years already? It's not about nukes, they want to dominate the region and iran is the really last standing country opposing them left.

Zlatan-Agrees

Israel doesn't want a deal. They know that they can do anything they want; Trump won't do anything to them because of the strong, unquestioning support evangelicals give to Israel.

Professional-Pay1198

Netanyahu wants war. He's been beating the drum forever and now under Trump he's gotten the green light.

kembik

To humiliate Trump. He’s a useful moron, Bibi, Putin etc. do not like or respect him.

sonofchocula

Netanyahu is fighting to remain in power to avoid jail. His coalition was hanging on by a thread, supported by only war mongering zionists who want only to kill as many of their enemies as possible....including their women, children, animals and olive trees....real old testament stuff. Trump and most of the US Congress fear for their political lives over the power Israel exerts politically. The MAGA Christian crowd supports Israel over the "Philistines" yet seem totally unaware of just how much venom and hatred those same Zionists feel for Christians. They despise Christ. They are truly a base people supported in the US by idiots.

FlaminFlabbarghast

Iran has been trying to develop a bomb for decades and no one trusts them to stop now just because we ask them politely. And to be sane enough to not detonate it in Tel Aviv or New York Harbor if they get one. Israel also has acted before in response to enemy states attempting to develop bombs with attacks on reactors in Iraq in Syria so they're not treating Iran exceptionally.

LivingGhost371

Cause they could and got the US blessing prob

Material_Policy6327

Best guess, neither netanyahu or trump really think negotiations with iran will work. There was an agreement with Iran that trump abandoned. I think there's a good chance the US and Israeli govs are ok with this approach.

docfarnsworth

Because they don’t trust anything Trump says

spuriousattrition

[Israel's Political and Military Doctrine](https://th.bing.com/th/id/R.48ce30ac1aab7eddbba51356d02e557c?rik=rN1gByFVAxAWQQ&amp;riu=http%3a%2f%2fshawnroe.com%2fwp-content%2fuploads%2f2015%2f10%2faint-nobody-got-time1.jpg&amp;ehk=kXj9X0vj6tk7Gn6rKAGRqDkivaJCGVmtkzoH6hdy18A%3d&amp;risl=&amp;pid=ImgRaw&amp;r=0&amp;sres=1&amp;sresct=1)

BringOutTheImp

I think they just want to drag the US into it. Hopefully this won’t be a $2tn 20 yr disaster which achieves nothing, a la Iraq and Afghanistan. AIPAC paid a lot into Trump’s coffers and it would be naive to not think they are looking something in return.

exileon21

why would israel trust a deal when they don't stick to any deals?

kevloid

In 2024 (December 16) Professor [Jeffrey Sachs](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Sachs), referring to the fall of [Bashar al-Assad](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bashar_al-Assad) in [Syria](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syria) a week before, reported in an interview with [Tucker Carlson](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tucker_Carlson) of his talk with [Wesley Clark](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wesley_Clark), who shortly after [09/11](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/09/11) had been told at the Pentagon, that the US would wage seven wars in five years in the Middle East, Syria among them.

Sachs stated in the two hour long interview, that back then the authors of Clean Break in the US, and the Israeli circles around Netanyahu, were going to reshape the wider Middle East. War should be waged on seven countries. On the list seen by Wesly Clark were Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Iran, and in Africa Libya, Somalia and Sudan. The events in Syria in December 2024 are the culmination of a long-term effort by Israel to reshape the Middle East in its image. When Netanyahu became first prime minister of Israel in 1996, he followed the "Clean Break" strategy paper, written with his consent already before.

Sachs explained further that "Clean Break" is meant verbatim, by breaking with the past: Israel should not be a country opting for peace as in the past, but should aim at a greater Israel and "just beat up anyone who doesn't like it".

According to Sachs, Netanyahu said in a speech shortly after 9/11, that there is terrorism, but you don't fight the terrorists. We are fighting the governments that support the terrorists. Sachs explained that it doesn't matter who the actual US presidents is. There is a long term policy of the [deep state](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_state). E.g. Pres. [Obama](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obama) ordered the CIA to overthrow Assad. So the operation against Syria started in 2011. Sachs summarized that Israel has been determining American foreign policy in the Middle East for the last 30 years to a great extent.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A\_Clean\_Break:\_A\_New\_Strategy\_for\_Securing\_the\_Realm#:\~:text=On%20the%20list%20seen%20by,Africa%20Libya%2C%20Somalia%20and%20Sudan.

375InStroke

Israel and the US directly communicate and coordinate. I think this was Washingtons way of putting pressure on them to get a deal done? Like “See? If we don’t negotiate, other countries will take offense to your nuclear program”

HoboSamurai420

They believe that God told them to, they rose up like lions 🤷‍♂️

JimTheCodeGuru

I’m pretty sure it’s because the government of Israel was gonna collapse because part of the coalition was gonna pull out and if that happens then Bibi wouldn’t be Prime Minister, which means he could be sent to jail because the only reason he hasn’t since he has cases against him is because he’s Prime Minister

Cherry_Bomb_127

Netanyahu has been trying to bomb Iran since he first became PM in 1996. Every US president has been able to keep him in check on this, even DT’s first go around he was able to. Not surprising it’s finally happened considering Bibi has also stated since 1996 that there will never be a Two State solution. He actually said over his dead body. It seems he’s decided to ensure both have happened.

fekoffwillya

Apparently Trump told Iran they had 60 days to make a deal, that was 61 days before Israel attacked

Balogma69

Trump had a little word in a little birds ear

HaveURedd1t

Jews had been relentlessly persecuted by EVERYONE for millennia. Israel (and the Yishuv in Palestine) had been under constant attack for more than a century. It makes Israel a trifle paranoid: when someone says that they want to kill you, you believe them.

The Iran regime had been threatening Israel with annihilation ever since they've captured Iran in 1979~~1989~~. The Iran regime is comprised of religious maniacs, it isn't a rational group; it's quite possible they'd consider the destruction of Israel worth it even if Israel's second-strike capability destroys Iran.

The Iran regime had been steadily working on a nuclear bomb for decades. Israel rightly considers it an existential threat: either Iran attacks Israel directly, gives the bomb to one of the terrorist organizations they support, or use the bomb threat to protect them from retaliation - all options are bad.

Israel had been planning to take out Iran's nuclear capability for a long time. Some sources claim that they planned to attack Iran in 2011 or 2012 and were prevented by Obama, who foolishly tried to make Iran the leading regional power, mostly because he didn't (probably still doesn't) like Israel.

It's likely that the timing of the attack was because Iran now has (had?) enough enriched Uranium to make several bombs and had been working on actual bomb and missile design to create working nuclear-tipped ballistic missiles.

Since Netanyahu tends to avoid taking decisions and prefers to postpone everything, it's likely that the Mossad and IDF had forced him to act, because in only a few more months Iran would have become a nuclear power.

urbanwildboar

Didn’t trump say he gave Iran 60 days to negotiate a deal and that this is the 61st ?

Diddle_my_Fiddle2002

The people in Iran who are supposed to convene and strategise a military response are now dead

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2025/06/12/iran-nuclear-breach-iaea-un-watchdog/

Also this

Ok_Locksmith_8260

Several possibilities and how much credence you give to each likely depends on your view of Israeli leadership  and its goals.

1) Israel doesn't want a deal. They see it as kicking the can down the road, leaving Iran dangerously capable.

2) Israel doesn't believe there will be a deal, Iran is drawing things out all rhe while becoming more dangerous.

3)  Israel thinks there will be a deal, but want certain people eliminated before it takes place. Otherwise, Iran will remain dangerous.

4)  Israel wants a deal and believes Iran can be forced into it militarily.

5)  Israel had intelligence of some important change in Irans program, which couldn't wait for talks to play out.

Ok_Attitude55

Because Iran only negotiates in order to buy time to finish their weapons. They have no intention to actually give them up regardless of the outcome of any negotiations.

voiceoffcknreason

Strongmen need constant conflict to distract from their other failings. They reduced Palestine to rubble, threw hands with Hezbollah, and now Netanyahu wants a new fight.


Iran violating a treaty, perfect opportunity to escalate tensions

Phoebebee323

Trump recently took a trip to middle east where he visited Saudi Arabia, Qatar and UAE and accepted a huge bribe from Qatar. He did not visit Israel. Israel may not have much trust in Trump.

Hates_commies

They don't need a reason.  They just hate Iran.

jeharris56

Quinndug

61th day of the 60 day deadline. Boom. 
You snooze you lose.

geekwithout

Think of the attack as a negotiation tactic. 

Good cop: let's talk it out

Bad cop: kill em!!!! 

Iran: let's talk, we intend only to power our country. 

Good cop: ya, this is taking a while... I need a win in the news quick

Bad cop: gotcha boss

baldy023

&gt;while Iran and the U.S. were still actively negotiating a deal

Were they actively negotiating and, more important **making progress**?  There have been negotiations with Iran for decades now, in which time, Iran has got closer and closer to building nuclear weapons.

And we got the recent finding of **IAEA** which just found Iran in violation of its nuclear non-proliferation obligations for the first time in two decades.

Looking at some finding from "**Analysis of IAEA Iran Verification and Monitoring Report - May 2025**" by Institute for Science and International Security (not IAEA, based heavily on IAEA documents, founded by David Albright, a former IAEA nuclear inspector), with **my** selection and emphasis:

*Iran* ***can convert its current stock*** *of 60 percent enriched uranium into 233 kg of WGU* ***in three weeks*** *at the Fordow Fuel Enrichment Plant (FFEP),* ***enough for 9 nuclear weapons***\*, taken as 25 kg of weapon-grade uranium (WGU) per weapon.\*

*Iran could produce its* ***first quantity of 25 kg*** *of WGU in Fordow* ***in as little as two to three days***\*.\*

*Breaking out in both Fordow and the Natanz Fuel Enrichment Plant (FEP),* ***the two facilities together could produce enough WGU for 11 nuclear weapons in the first month***\*, enough for 15 nuclear weapons by the end of the second month, 19 by the end of the third month, 21 by the end of the fourth month, and 22 by the end of the fifth month.\*

Is quite likely, that Israel reached similar conclusions like above report.

Al-Rediph

Lots of good answers here, but I do think part of it could be political maneuvering by Netanyahu. There’s real frustration at home with the way the country is dealing with Gaza (just the other day a letter signed by 41 Israeli intelligence officers expressing disapproval of what they deemed illegal operations was sent to the government). 

RdbeardtheSwashbuklr

They saw how Trump's other negotiations have been going.

yankeedjw

Netanyahinhas wanted to do this since forever. He saw an opportunity and took it.

OtherTechnician

The more security related issues israel has the easier it is for Bibi to avoid his trial and stay out of prison. This is why the war in Gaza is still happening and this is why they struck in Iran. If you ask me, it’s also the main reason the war in Gaza is as brutal as it is, the further right and hawkish Bibi goes, the safer he is with his base and his current political allies, who kinda have him by the balls since he really REALLY doesn’t want to stop the war or lose his position because that probably means jail time.

There’s also the very real (this is not a joke) that he’s doing all or a part of this because his wife told him to. We always knew she was involved but recent leaks suggest she and her son have insane control and pull over Bibi, with them hoping Yair will succeed him.

Ok-Low-882

Because Israel wanted to fuck up any chance of peace with Iran.

And because we are the client state of Israel.

snper101

The Israeli government’s first responsibility is to protect its citizens.
They would be totally lame to sit idly by while Iran turns their newly minted enriched uranium into deliverable weapons, since Iran’s has totally committed to wiping Israel off the face of the earth. Along with the USA.
Furthermore, if that happened, Israel would respond in kind, perhaps triggering a worldwide nuclear war.
Israel’s surgical strike severely reduced this possibility.

Beautiful-Penalty-23

Israel may have played the US as a patsy, buying distraction and time for their secret plans. Perhaps the first time this has been done in this administration, considering Putin's disinterest in a peace conference.

peter303_

Because the Israeli's are insane genocidal nutjobs that want this war to escalate?

They would have found another excuse to attack Iran if it wasn't nukes...

It is just embarrassing at this point that my country continues to support this insanity.

No-one, anywhere, will take anything we say or stand for seriously. We basically just torches our moralities for Israel.. for no reason.

Rindal_Cerelli

It might be as simple as Netanjahu trying to save his own ass. He narrowly avoided the collapse of the government and prolonging the whole ordeal keeps him in power. The moment he steps down, chances rise he will be prosecuted. It's easier to attack Iran now, then after a nuclear deal. It's of course questionable if Iran and the US would have reached a deal anyway. 

Iran is the only target Israel hasn't attacked yet and they are the other big player in the region. They are also the only ones who pose a conventional military threat to Israel. Hezbollah suffered heavy losses and aren't really perceived as an actual threat at the moment. Ansarallah in Yemen is blockading Israel and damages Israel's economy in the long run, but isn't really a priority for Israel, as Ansarallah can't do much more than it is already doing, and bombing them doesn't do anything as western intelligence fails completely in Yemen and they can't hit any actual military sides. 

What people fail to realise is, that the tactics used by the Axis of Resistance are quite different from Israeli and US tactics. Israel tries to overwhelm their enemies while hiding behind the Iron Dome and tries to end wars fast. The Axis of Resistance hasn't got the capabilities to do so and therefore tries to win by sheer endurance and plans in the long run. 

While it looks especially for Westerners like Israel is winning all their battles (they mostly do),the AoR is trying to win the war. Because does it really matter what Israel achieved with its attack on Iran? Military leaders can easily be replaced, the nuclear program is basically one big distraction, because Iran really doesn't have any need for nuclear weapons and missile launch sides and factories are completely decentralised. So Israel destroyed a few, they probably are already replaced. The tactical victory of Israel really isn't as impressive as they want everyone to believe.

indifferentgoose

Because they don't want a deal, they just made a deal impossible. They WANT to topple the Iranian govt.

scouserman3521

I think it's more likely than not that this was a coordinated thing between Trump and Israel. There was no good faith negotiation, it was just a cover to help increase Israel's chances of success.

As for why the attack? It's very hard to take Iran seriously. They are an autocratic religious state that oppresses their people, especially women and LGBTQ. They have been defiant in the face of extreme international pressure and have brought this on themselves. 

Israel, and really the whole world, cannot possibly tolerate this country with nuclear weapons.

pagalvin

Why would the U.S attack Iraq even tho finding no WMDS ?

After-Good-6114

Because they want to neuter Iran, and US will never do anything against daddy netanyahu, no matter the party

arix_games

oasiscat

Because Netanyahu wants to keep the war going. Constitutionally, he is in office until the war is over and once the war is over his trial can resume. When his trial resumes he will be found guilty and go to prison (most likely) so the longer he keeps it going the longer he will stay out of prison.

Is Israel justified in launching an attack on Iran -- no. Would Israel have been justified in attacking Iran after 10-7 -- yes.

At this point it is just an Israeli right wing move.

Brodiesattva

Look up what happened the day before they attacked- Benny had a bad day in court during his trial and forced them to cut it short cause he claimed he felt ill

shadysaturn1

US: You could help us forge a peace treaty between you and Iran!

Israel: But I don't want to forge a peace treaty. I want to turn everyone into a smoking crater!

foodisyumyummy

To provide motivation for Iran to strike a deal.

Witty_Dig786

It's a strategy to catch your opponent off guard. Israel has used this strategy many times including last year in Lebanon and even in the 6 Day War where they preemptively struck and the seized Gaza, the West Bank, Sinai, and Golan. The Israeli government never negotiates in good faith and sadly even if the US government wants to it cannot because Israel always overrides the US government

DetectiveBlackCat

Because their god is different.  It's religious violence 

Remember religion is bigotry and Government is violence

Maximum_Pound_5633

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Trump was in on it. See his statements regarding his 60 day deadline. Israel attacks took place on day 61, followed by trump admitting he was aware of the plan the whole time and supports it.

Shmeepish

Netanyahu is a avoiding prison, and the best way to do that is with a war going on

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I'm going to put aside the moral rightness of whether Israel is justified in attacking Iran. Most people likely believe that Israel is either justified or that they're morally bankrupt, so in either case the rightness or wrongness of the decision wouldn't impact the Israeli choice in the matter. Instead let's focus on whether or not it's a good strategic decision. 

First, let's look at the objectives of the strikes and whether they were achieved. 

* Decapitation for the Iranian military leadership

Astonishingly successful on a scale that isn't really getting as much attention as it should. The Iranian military is extremely centralized to keep most of the control concentrated in those loyal to the Supreme Leader. Israel just assassinated the commander in chief of the military AND his deputy, the chief of the revolutionary guard, and the head of Iranian air defense. I really can't emphasize enough the level of institutional knowledge the Iranians just lost and the chaos that replacing it is going to entail. Just to give a concept: imagine that the US national guard was a unified force across all the states with its own command structure entirely separate from the joint chiefs of staff. Now imagine a drone killed the joint chiefs and their replacement wasn't a general from the army or Marines, but the head of the national guard. That's basically what replacing Mohammad Bagheri with Abdolrahim Mousavi is like. The Iranian military is about to go through a fundamental reshuffling and power shift. 

* Dismantle the Iranian nuclear program

It's still too soon to tell, but I'm doubtful. Israel claimed to "significantly damage" the underground facilities at Natanz, but so far that's been unconfirmed by any other reporting and would have been quite the accomplishment considering it is buried in a mountainside. I think it's more likely that this was a mild setback in Iran's enrichment process but is likely to spark Iran to pursue actual weapons grade uranium rather than stockpiling 60% enriched material. 


That puts Israel in an EXTREMELY dangerous position for the next month or so. Iran is likely to devote all of its efforts to constructing a usable nuclear weapon before Israel can finish destroying its enrichment facilities, and will likely succeed. At that point, you have a difficult to predict and shifting military leadership in possession of a nuclear weapon with every incentive to use it before Israel can launch follow-up strikes to destroy it. It's a "use it or lose it" incentive structure that drastically increases the chance of a nuclear exchange. 

Let's say you're part of an Israeli military planning meeting discussing the airstrikes. An analyst tells you "if everything goes exactly to plan, there is a 5% chance that this time next month Tel Aviv will disappear in a mushroom cloud, but in exchange we will cripple the Iranian command structure for the next several years. I certainly wouldn't accept that risk, especially when as you said the Iranian ability to project power in the region has drastically diminished. There would need to be some external incentive to strike now, rather than last month or next year. 

I would argue that these strikes are NOT directed at regime change within Iran, but rather were intended to derail the American/Iranian nuclear talks or were associated with the attempt on Thursday to dissolve the parliament and call new elections. 

I'm not sure if that changes your view or not, but I hope it puts it in a different light.

brainpower4



You've outlined your arguments why Israel might be pissed at Iran, but you haven't satisfied that Israel's attacks are meaningful in any way that is a response to the threats you've outlined.

Eg: you argue that Iran, through proxies, is messing with Israel.  And presumably,  yes, Israel can poke back.   But Israel's clapback is entirely insufficient to address your argument that Iran is messing with proxy irregular forces.

 As you well know, Israel's purported official reasoning is Iran is "too close" to achieving nuclear capability, whatever that means.  If that's true, it doesn't affect Iran's proxy irregular capacity,  it affects (Maybe?)  Iran's nuclear capacity.  

Btw, the Houthis are definitely supported by Iran.  But it's a stretch to say that the Houthis are a conscious active lever of Iran directed specifically @ Israel.  Houthis primarily have beef with zyemen official govt, and KSA which props up Yemen.  The reason why Iran backs the Houthis is because Iran likes to help cause headaches for KSA.

I'm not confident that Iran backed up Assad in the way you say.   More like Assad being weak suited Iran, and Iran had official or unofficial channels for access for transit.

You've got some weird perspectives on ME dynamics.

CocoSavege

To clarify, your argument is that, now that Iran's strategy has failed and it isn't a threat anymore, that it's right for Israel to attack Iran? 


This does conflict with Israel arguing pre-emptive self-defense. 

AdvancedPangolin618

Lol, yes, they "decapitated" Hezbollah...who then forced them out of Lebanon.  Houthis are still causing shipping problems.  Hamas have more people than ever (as was inevitable with Israel's actions).  Assad falling is the only actual win for Israel and they didn't even do it.

No, it doesn't make sense to attack Iran.  Iran is a much larger country and Israel is losing support because of their genocide.  This could backfire on them big time.

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